Student employees raise concern for new dining policies
February 12, 2020
Student employees of CWU Dining Services have come forward with concerns about new management practices, including changes to the sick leave policy.
Six current student employees spoke to The Observer but wished to remain anonymous out of fear of losing their jobs for speaking publicly.
“I’m not doing this just for my benefit. I’m doing it for all the other students who are too scared to come forward or talk about their experience,” an anonymous student said. “I’ve talked to a lot of people about trying to come and do this interview with me and a lot of them are scared because [management] will just fire you at the drop of the hat. They don’t care.”
Another five indicated they were willing to talk about the same issues, but cancelled later due to sickness and scheduling issues. Two former employees came forward to talk as well, such as senior Andrea Terry, who said that she loved working at her job for two years before the changes went into place.
“I felt very comfortable with my supervisors and my superiors,” Terry said. “Once this all changed, I just really felt like any mistake I made, I was going to be yelled at, possibly fired. I felt depressed working there. I didn’t want to come to work anymore, and that’s why I quit. I quit the last week of fall quarter.”
Multiple other employees expressed their concerns on social media but say they were later told by dining management to take their posts down.
According to student employees, the problems started at a meeting on Nov. 12, 2019, when they met Assistant Director Denise Payton. Payton was hired in October having previously worked at Oregon State University as the operations and training manager/dining. Prior to that she worked in many management positions, including for the federal government, and she ran a law firm.
The November meeting was to discuss employee policies and tell students about some changes in how those policies would work. The updated sick leave policy specifically raised concern.
“I would encourage that if a student has a concern, that they’re bringing it forward to their manager. If they don’t feel that they are heard by their manager, because sometimes the manager doesn’t know how to answer it, feel free to reach out to us,” Payton said. “We will gladly spend some time with them and we will take every question into consideration and will be very honest about it.”
Many of the student employees say that they have raised their concerns and feel like they haven’t been listened to or taken seriously by management.
“They pretty much ignore us. They don’t really listen to student complaints, whether it’s from customers or student employees,” an anonymous barista said. “It’s a very one-sided communication. They tell us how it is and they don’t care what we have to say.”
Menstrual Cramps
The students who spoke up said that one of their biggest concerns was that the sick leave policy mentions that menstrual cramps would not be an acceptable reason to call out sick.
“I raised my hand … and I was like ‘that’s kind of sexist’… cramps and periods and stuff can be a really big problem for a lot of women,” an anonymous junior working as a barista said.
This was confirmed by other students who attended the meeting. One student said Payton’s reasoning for not being allowed to call out sick for menstrual cramps was so that it would be fair to male employees.
“A student said, ‘I have really bad cramps, sometimes I throw up.’ And [Payton] said ‘Well, it’s actually more fair to your male coworkers because they don’t have the opportunity to call out every month,’ ” the student, who is a senior, said. “She said like, ‘I’m a woman and I’m okay with this’ because as a woman, she can’t be sexist that she agrees with it.”
“I know a lot of coworkers, specifically a few that get really faint when they are on their menstrual period, and if they aren’t allowed to [call out], then I don’t see how that’s a safe working environment for them,” Terry said.
At later meetings, students said that the wording Payton used changed regarding the sick leave policy. The student employee handbook provided in November refers simply to “cramps” instead of “menstrual cramps.” Student employees say the change was the result of the negative feedback.
“I heard that Denise changed her answer throughout the week because there was such an uproar about it,” another anonymous student employee said. “But what I heard from her is she basically said you can’t call in for cramps unless you have a doctor’s note.”
When asked, Payton said that students can use their best judgement when making the decision to call out sick.
“What it said on our document was we all experience pain differently, right? So we say you’re a normal person, a normal level of pain, you would come to work, but if you have an excessive pain, you wouldn’t come to work,” Payton said. “But even still, we don’t ask them. It’s their personal choice what they call in for. If they call in sick, they are excused. They were concerned that they wouldn’t be excused but, yes, illnesses they are excused.”
Executive Director of Human Resources (HR) Staci Sleigh-Layman said she would need to hear the specific concerns of students to comment on whether the policies violate any sort of equal opportunity employment law.
Common Cold
The common cold is listed in the most current CWU Dining Services student employee handbook as an unexcused absence.
“These are minor conditions that any reasonable person would be able to work with,” the policy reads.
Student employees raised concerns about this being a safety risk when dealing with food.
“We all work in the food industry and someone mentioned that it’s against food health code,” a senior barista said. “And [Payton] said ‘not if you cough into your elbow and wash your hands frequently, it won’t spread.’ That made everybody cringe.”
The employee handbook includes the statement that everyone experiences pain differently, which many of the students say was later added following negative feedback. Payton explained that the policy is not a hard rule, but a guideline for students to use their judgement on.
“If you have a cold where you got runny nose and you know you’re coughing, then you would call in,” Payton said in an interview with The Observer. “But if you’ve just got that minor cold where you’re not symptomatic then you wouldn’t call in because it’s not contagious to food.”
The Washington State Retail Food Code does list coughing, sneezing and runny noses as symptoms that prevent food workers from handling food. It does not list specific ailments like the common cold. The code also says that sick workers can be given tasks that do not put them in contact with food or food-safe surfaces. However, many student employees feel that allowing anyone with the common cold to work with food is a safety risk.
“It’s the same virus and to an immunocompromised person, it doesn’t matter how bad the symptoms are in the person carrying the virus,” a senior who has worked as a server, cashier, kitchen aid and dishwasher for dining services said.
Aftermath
According to Payton, the reactions to the Nov. 12 meeting were mixed.
“I would say [it] was half and half,” Payton said. “I had a lot of students who came up to me and said, ‘Thank you for putting policies and procedures in place. We feel like you know, some of us are having to work extra because others aren’t coming to work.’”
Student employees said the response was far more negative, with one claiming that between 20 and 30 students quit immediately following the meeting. Another said that there were at least five that she could name personally who had quit, and that she knew of more.
“We have a group chat of people who work here and they all wanted to quit, they just couldn’t find another job,” the student employee said. “Everyone says that if they had another job opportunity, they would leave in a heartbeat.”
Payton, on the other hand, said no students quit immediately but that some said they wouldn’t be returning for winter quarter. She could not provide exact numbers for this.
Both the CWU public records department and Payton were able to provide employment numbers on a quarterly basis. However, since employment numbers change between quarters anyway, they cannot be definitely attributed to any specific policy or meeting.
After students raised their concerns, an email was sent by General Manager Christine Cloninger to all CWU Dining student employees on Nov. 18.
“I have the emails, text messages and have heard what my employees have to say about the ‘new employee handbook’ as your General Manager I am shocked at the negative feedback,” the email reads. “I would like all of you to read the old handbook and know the so called new one is 99% the same. Let me say this you all have gotten away with things that you shouldn’t have. And yes that is all our fault. Its a new year, enforced student handbook and a NEW minimum wage. We are all a team, if you cant follow 3 policies then this is not the place for you to work.”
The email goes on to list things CWU Dining Services does for the student employees.
“We care about you and your safety,” the email said. “We do our best to create a fun and positive environment.”
Payton said that she knew the email was sent but wasn’t copied on it.
“Her intent of that email was to say they weren’t new policies. They were just in a different format,” Payton said.
She also added that Cloninger has since met with the employees under her management to hear any concerns they have and help them understand the policies.
According to Payton, the handbook policies themselves hadn’t been changed, just the enforcement of them.
“They’re not new, they’re just finally put in one place so that everyone’s aware of them,” Payton said. “They were unknown policies I guess and unfortunately they weren’t communicated well.”
However, the student employee handbook used prior to fall 2019 does not include the policies in question. They appear in the most current employee handbook, released in Nov. 2019, and a document titled “CWU Dining Services Updated policies,” dated Jan. 5, 2020, which lays out the changes to the policies, including the sick leave policy.
ASCWU President Jasmin Washington announced during the Feb. 10 ASCWU meeting that she and Dean of Student Success Gregg Heinselman were aware of the issues brought up by student employees. She added that they have met with Payton to start working on solutions.
HR head Sleigh-Layman said that students can’t legally face any retaliation if they bring their concerns to HR. She also added that CWU’s overall university policies go through an intense review process but that different departments on campus write their own employment policies without a review process. She added that managers and directors go through leadership training before they begin working at their position.
“A lot of it feels like a parent saying ‘because I said so,’ ” the anonymous senior said. “We keep asking for reasons. Change for the sake of change is just never a good thing, especially when you’re implementing so many that make no sense.”
name (required) • Feb 26, 2020 at 10:14 am
The amount of people who go to work at dining services sick is insane. Employees are scared to call out and would rather go to work sick than possibly getting in trouble or losing their job. It amazes me that every freshman who eats at the SURC 24/7 isn’t deathly ill. Employees get sick from other employees and then work with the food. They are very health conscious obviously.
Just an observer • Feb 20, 2020 at 9:29 am
I just want to say when I first started I was told that the purpose of dining services is to serve the students To provide them with a nutritious and pleasant dining experience. I felt that this new policy contradicts the purpose of dining services existence. I know it’s been said that this isn’t something new and that it just wasn’t enforced, well in my opinion that failure belongs to management and yet instead of gradually implementing it which would have gone more smooth in my opinion. They decided to spring it on all at once. Which looks like they are punishing the students for their failure.
I understand that their might have been a few bad apples that took advantage of the non enforcement of the policies and yes this would weed them out but your also punishing the ones that did follow the rules. Those who’s moral code was so high they did the right thing when the right thing wasn’t even clarified, to me that sends the wrong message. If we saw a hostage situation in a building. And police decided to blow the building up to stop the criminal, we would be outraged. Why? Because the innocent people who broke no law was carelessly counted as acceptable loss. Well it kinda feels like this is the thinking now. What is the acceptable loss of employment students? I don’t think she’s an evil person despite what many students might feel. I just think she’s not looking at them as human beings. More of a mechanical view point. Maybe even heartless. Just my two cents for what it’s worth
Brenda Lea Gavin '01 • Feb 15, 2020 at 1:23 pm
I worked the scrape line at CWU in the late 1990s. It seems that the “boss” doesn’t know student employees. Rule one is always treating them with respect and understanding. Students know that if they don’t work they don’t get paid. If they are not coming to work I would say that they are sick or the environment is sick!
A campus-wide walkout or union may get the attention the students need. College is a learning environment and worker rights are student rights.
Anon • Feb 15, 2020 at 1:16 pm
Also, it is very rare you are able to get all of your legally required breaks. The majority of the shifts I worked there, I did not get all my breaks.
Anon • Feb 15, 2020 at 1:14 pm
Do not ever work for dining services if you can. The only training you will get is from fellow employees and the bosses will yell at you when you weren’t trained right. There is absolutely zero training when it comes to school shooting or fire exits or anything. They took away free lunches for students, and during one of the meetings that this article talks about, Payton threatened to take away our “water privileges,” saying we would only be allowed to drink water on our breaks if we didnt follow rules. I personally had an issue there for months where I had two different managers yelling at me to do two different things at once. Dining services is an absolute shitshow and should be gutted and restructured from the ground up.
Holly Cummins • Feb 15, 2020 at 12:02 pm
This is insane. I cannot believe how foolish the management is. I seriously have to commend the employees for standing up for not just themselves, but also for the people being out at risk due to these so called ‘old policies’. Like the one employee said, if you’re sick with a viral illness the severity of your symptoms don’t matter because it’s still the same virus and could make anyone else eating contaminated food to get very sick.
On the other hand I must condemn the management over this. They actively put both their employees and their diners at risk by gambling their health and safety- and for someone like me, that can spell death. I have cystic fibrosis and also am in near total adrenal failure, both of which make any contagions I come across much, much more dangerous. I want to know what management would tell my family if I went into a coma and died because their food made me to sick to keep down my steroids. I want to know what they would say to my mother if I finally lost my 22 year long battle with cystic fibrosis because an employee wasn’t ‘sick enough’ and I couldn’t fight off their respiratory infection.
What would they say to me if I was fighting for my life, feeling myself slowly slip away from this life because one of the corners they cut off included my health and safety and they threw it in the trash?
Noella Wyatt • Feb 14, 2020 at 8:43 pm
This pretty much clears things for me.
#1 – I WON’T be eating in any of CWUs Dining Services locations again. Because of my asthma, I can’t risk catching a cold.
#2 – Student employees are pretty much disdained by management and administrators, second ONLY to the way civil service employees are treated.
And #3 – The administration and management increasingly believe themselves to be gods and above any laws, such as those regulating food service and common employment laws regarding gender.
Once upon a time, Central was a great place to be a student and an employee. We all were considerate of the “other groups.” Faculty respected students and employees. Students respected faculty and employees. Employees respected faculty and students. Administration was there for ALL of us. Now, just to survive, each group has to worry about itself, EXCEPT administration. They worry about themselves and no others. Instead of the old Three Musketeer motto of “One for all and all for one,” their motto seems closer to, “All for us and all for us.”
Some things DO change, unfortunately for the worse.
Rovert • Feb 14, 2020 at 12:43 pm
What a bunch of snowflakes, these “workers” don’t understand the real world and the harsh realities in it. Just because you have menstrual cramps doesn’t give you special privileges. You feminists wanted equal rights so there you have it. If a male can’t call in for menstrual cramps then women can not either, reap what you sow you bunch of snowflakes.
Madison • Feb 14, 2020 at 7:31 am
I’m in disbelief that she said “it’s unfair to male co-workers because they don’t get the opportunity to call out”. Excuse me? The opportunity to be in severe pain? The opportunity to deal with one of the largest biological disadvantages a woman has? Is that really something anyone is missing out on?
Unknown • Feb 13, 2020 at 8:07 pm
I was at one of the meetings as well and Denise was not able to articulate her points well. She also spent a lot of time disregarding what students were saying and undermined them as much as she could. I remember her telling a couple of students, that brought up justifiable questions, to be quiet. I was nervous as an employee to even put in my two weeks because I was told I would be blacklisted from future jobs.
Anon • Feb 13, 2020 at 7:57 pm
I would have loved to seen coverage regarding water policies. Denise specifically threatened to take away our RIGHT to drink water while working. To me, denying employees a right secured by OSHA and the UN is incredibly troubling. Furthermore, these new policies absolutely resulted in many quitting. We have so many shifts with only one server and a cashier, rather than the full staff of three servers, due to the implementation of these policies. They can’t hire enough people to fill all the empty spots left after these meetings happened. The best part was Denise preaching about professionalism during the meeting and belittling employees, meanwhile her email distributing the handbook was full of spelling errors and mistakes. So much hypocrisy
Anonymous • Feb 13, 2020 at 3:56 pm
At the beginning of this quarter I was getting food after a rush and I saw a lady yell at three girls because they had their hair in a pony tail and not a braid or something they had a hat on so I don’t think it was that bad. She then tried to make them braid their hair by the food which seemed gross to me and she was so rude to the girls so I’m not sure but it doesn’t seem like a fun place to work to me
Unknown • Feb 13, 2020 at 3:44 pm
I currently work with Dining Services, and calling out sick is not an option. You are required to get your shift covered and if you can’t you are expected to show up. I had to show up with the flu one day, in the midst of a coughing attack I asked the manager on duty if i could leave early since it’s slow- they said no.
unknown • Feb 13, 2020 at 3:43 pm
I was also at a few of the meetings mentioned and how they describe the meetings is not at all what happened. It’s very apparent Denise does not care about the workers and it’s even more apparent she doesn’t care about the health and safety of cwu students. As workers we WILL get in trouble if we can’t get a shift covered (sick or other reasons) and because of how understaffed we are every single day (because people who have worked in coffee for years quit and others have heard our experiences and don’t want to work for coffee) it is sometimes impossible to get a shift covered. Our needs are so overlooked, especially on scheduling a plethora of people have hours that they have class during that the managers have failed to correct leaving it up to the employee to find coverage, or they entirely disregarded availability times and if you raise a concern or ask for a change it won’t happen.
N/a • Feb 13, 2020 at 3:36 pm
I was also at the meeting where Denise did not allow anymore questions. People were raising genuine concerns and she completely shut everyone up. The supervisors and managers can only do so much to help students with how they feel but the upstairs workers, specifically Denise do not seem to care. They want things done their way and they do not seem to have a decent understanding of how the kitchen even works. So they are implementing policies without having the knowledge of how they will effect the day to day of dining.
Unknown • Feb 13, 2020 at 3:29 pm
Denise Payton fired an employee for making a twitter post about these exact same issues. It’s not legal or just. Also after word got out about this article, Denise sent an email to all student employees stating they we are not allowed to talk to the media or press. Denise Payton is out of control, and the University needs to do something about it, before legal action is taken against them for what Denise is doing. She is violating the law and rights we have.
Unknown • Feb 13, 2020 at 2:41 pm
Hi there,
I also work for dining.
I have worked on and off campus, for a very long time. I’m invisibly disabled. I quit working off campus because I was severely mistreated at an old job and I needed a job that would work with my disabilities; on campus is all I have at this moment. But apparently our bosses do not care about us first as humans.
This kind of mentality that we must work despite our physical issues is a problem- first of all, it’s illegal. Obtaining your food handler’s card means you know the law regarding calling out for common colds. It’s to protect the general public. No numbers are worth that. Plus as a disabled student I’m highly uncomfortable; if I can’t call out for obviously reasonable things… can I not call out for my disability flare ups anymore?
That, and their scheduling also has issues; I’ve brought this up several times to the scheduling manager to no avail. Seriously struggling to stay afloat.
Unknown • Feb 13, 2020 at 12:21 pm
As someone that was at one of those meetings, after several students raised their concerns about issues such as scheduling and new dress code requiring students to go out and purchase specific pants, Denise Payton no longer allowed students to ask questions or speak out about their concerns for the rest of the meeting (but required us to sign a document that said we were allowed to ask any questions and share any concerns). I never wanna hear again that she is always an outlet for students to voice their concerns. She absolutely is not and everyone knows it.
Shelby • Feb 13, 2020 at 11:09 am
I was in one of the first meetings and she for sure without a doubt said we can’t miss work because of period cramps, common cold or headaches. It is ILLEGAL to tell people how they can spend their sick leave. Also it was very apparent that she was sexist due to the cramps issue and the pants issue. This is very disheartening because I think of myself as a good employee. I work hard I show up early and I get a lot of compliments about my work ethic from my boss but this meeting was a slap in the face. 3 people left just from where I work and I know for a fact no one thanked this woman.
Melissa • Feb 13, 2020 at 9:16 am
I’m sorry but the cold thing is a little unsettling . Nice to know that dining service wants people with colds to come to work.