Opinion: Do yourself a favor, take down that flag
Recently, the state of California approved a ban on the Confederate flag. It will no longer be sold in California by state agencies, and will no longer be allowed to be flown on any government building or entity. In my opinion, this is fantastic news.
There’s this old family rumor that my family is distantly related to the Confederate General Robert E. Lee.
When I was a kid, I used to think this was kind of neat. Like most Americans now days, I always grew up knowing that slavery was bad.
I was also taught that the Civil War ‘wasn’t about slavery, it was about states rights!’ Clearly this is a flawed argument, as anyone who looks even passingly into American history understands that the Civil War was about states rights to engage in the slave trade.
The Civil War was about the future of American slavery. There was also the mantra that was eternally repeated, that Lee didn’t support slavery, but fought for North Virginia to side with his home-state.
He was also a brilliant military tactician, and is revered in many places in the south.
I’ve since disowned this part of my history of any positive sentiments.
In America, there is this idea that we can separate the good from that bad in our history. That we can pay homage to our cultural roots while skirting around the issue of slavery.
It’s the idea that I can be proud of my relationship to Lee, while also condemning slavery. I don’t buy this anymore.
History is not the past, we are eternally living in history, and the past holds continuity with our current situation.
We are only a few generations removed from the most brutal, systematic and despicable slave trade the world has ever known, and some of my ancestors fought under the Confederate flag to uphold that system.
Whether or not they ‘approved’ of slavery is a moot point. They fought, killed and died defending one of the largest cesspools of degradation in the whole world’s history.
There is absolutely nothing honorable or proud about that.
Similarly, like I can’t separate the ‘good’ elements from the bad in my own history, our nation cannot separate the ‘good’ aspirations of the Confederate’s and consequently their flag from our collective history.
People who fly the Confederate flag believe they are doing so generally because they view it as a symbol of southern unity, history and anti-federal government sentiments.
They see it as a symbol of the individual triumphing over government oppression.
In reality, this banner was the rallying point for hundreds of years of the most disgusting practice in our nation’s history, rivaled domestically only by the genocide enacted against the American Indian population.
It is impossible to pick apart the one sentiment from the other.
The Confederate flag is a symbol of terror to many of our fellow Americans, and we have a responsibility and a historical debt to understand this fully.
In America, we have the freedom of political speech, and this is necessary to any functioning democracy.
You can absolutely fly a Confederate flag on or from your own private property.
In doing so, you must also understand that people will likely judge you for it, and that their judgments will often times not be what you intend.
Instead of seeing it as a symbol of anti-federalism, many will see it as a banner akin to the swastika or KKK cross.
It is, in fact, a symbol of the darkest depths to which the human soul can plummet and dwell.
If you are willing to accept that, then by all means keep your Confederate flags flying, and know that people will take note.
If you instead choose to accept the whole of what that symbol means in context to our American history, past and present, then do us all a favor, and take down that flag.
Mike D. • Jun 23, 2015 at 11:24 pm
I think you should look more into the thoughts of Robert E. Lee. I think you’d be surprised at his thoughts on slavery. “There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. ” He was very much not in favor of it, relating it to a sin against God. His involvement was a soldier to his country, believing as must did, that his state was his country. When he retired and a freed slave dared walk into his church, they sat side by side and prayed. This brings me to my next point. In my opinion, this is all an exercise in morality, who holds that and who doesn’t. No one can deny the horrible things done under a flag we see every single day, but there is no petition to remove it. I dare anyone to find a flag that wasn’t held by a killer at some point. Even our great General Patton, smasher of Nazi’s, utterly hated Jews of post war Germany. Even though many southern states would cite slavery as their reasoning for secession, you wouldn’t find many Northerners who cared to free them at all. Abolitionists were a minority. If you’re looking for wholly good or bad, you probably won’t find it. Is banning an answer, time may tell, but I don’t like the route. Are we going to ban imagery for George Washington or Thomas Jefferson in the future? Or can anyone say where a definite line would be?
Erik • Jun 21, 2015 at 11:26 am
Will the the American flag cause thats part of the fight between the north an the south if your going to do away with the rebal you might as well get rid of the American flag to they both stand for the same thing which was freedom .
Phillip J Fry • Apr 27, 2015 at 11:18 am
Or to be more detailed, are you suggesting that “good” , “concerned”, “racially aware”, Americans should take down their Confederate flags so as not to offend their neighbors? Perhaps we could cite the obvious threat to Homeland Security such a blatant representation of anti-U.S. sentiment presents, not merely in public or on government buildings, but even visible from private property? No we’re not there yet, but maybe someday if we all do our part by reminding each other of cultural history that we really don’t know much about. But we will all “feel” so much better.
Phillip J Fry • Apr 25, 2015 at 10:03 am
And finally. are you saying, The United States Government has the authority to tell me in public, what is, or is not, free speech?
Phillip J Fry • Apr 25, 2015 at 9:35 am
If you wonder how I came to my perspective then read. I grew up in the racially segregated deep south. I attended segregated all white public schools. In your mind you probably picture a bunch of spoiled little white boys dressed like a flock of miniature Col. Sanders being served lemonades on the lawn by Tuxedo dressed black butlers huh? Do you picture my school like a modern day Irvine prep school except we all sat around telling *&^^& jokes?
Our teachers, our coaches, what served as counselors back then, they were all black professionals. Teaching was a low paying job in the south and low wage jobs, were filled predominately by southern blacks. I learned about our real culture and history, from them. Next to my mom, my elementary school teacher was the smartest coolest woman I ever knew, she was black.
Instead of listening to what the leftist media culture portrays as our history, try learning it.
Instead of listening to hate and justice whining, try interviewing anyone still alive who knows the true history.
As far as your ancestor Gen. Robert E. Lee, that makes you also related, of sorts, to Pres. George Washington. Will you deny him as well?. It’s OK with me if you disown Gen. Lee. I will claim him for you. Do you have any idea what it takes to battle someone, or anyone, to the death, for five long years. And at the end of this horrific struggle, Gen. Robert E. Lee was universally respected by the very men he had fought so hard against, he was as honored and revered by his enemies as he was by his own men.
Sir, I proudly claim Gen. Lee as my American ancestor.
Phillip J Fry • Apr 25, 2015 at 8:43 am
Mr. Kunkler;
I thoroughly support your bold and well detailed emotional stand against slavery. I fear that you have a limited grasp of what really happened. Unfortunately you are ignorant of the true nature of the racial discord in the US over a century and half ago. Black men and women were valued and appreciated in the south for their intelligent ability to perform any task any man could do and also the strength to perform extreme physical labor during a time when most humans were less healthy and less capable then they now are. Black men and women were valued by their “alleged owners”. You stand on the limited post modern digital yankee education you’ve received to date and rely upon what a few teachers and professors told you happened long before you were born?
Yes there was a small and vocal abolition movement with press support in the north.
The truth is black men and women were feared and despised by the majority of northern yankee white Americans, your hero Abraham Lincoln supported rounding up and deporting six million freed black Americans, hungry, penniless, without support to the beaches of Liberia. The majority of yankee Americans in 1865 wanted blacks removed but couldn’t round up funds for shipping from a war weary budget broke congress.
At the same time the majority of southern Americans respected the intelligence skill and strength of work black Americans provide, they wanted the freed slaves to happily return to working for free.
The result was …of course.. a compromise.
Even today the black ghettos of the northern U.S. cities are more violent, and more prone to racial discord, then the still largely agrarian south where the majority of black and white learned a long time ago to first, tolerate, cooperate, and then work together making profit. It’s not fair in the south yet but at least they learned to argue over profit share, after the crop is in.
In the south the majority of black and white Americans respect each other. Less so in the north. The idea of these comments is that you don’t need to own or fly the “Stars and Bars”. But if you are going to slam that flag and the good men who died on either side of it, be educated about what really happened. Slavery involved atrocity and brutality, and an organized theft of earned wages.
Did all that go away suddenly? Is it gone entirely now? Is it better or worse in the north or the south?
Or go watch “Roots” and feel educated.
Confederate Mike • Apr 21, 2015 at 8:13 am
What an ignorant and one sided bunch of crap !!!
Shame on you Mr. Kunkler. Your ancestors would be more ashamed of you, than you are of them with your ill-informed and misguided understanding of Southern History. You Sir should be flying a flag of a traitor !
90% of Confederate soldiers never even owned any slaves, nor did they have any beneficial reasons to maintain this peculiar institution. So what were they fighting for ? For the right to remain free from the evil and invading federalist Yankee Scum, which by the way had lots to gain from the fruits of slavery within their industrial economy !
Who cares about how other misguided fools judge an individual who is proud of his Battle Flag. After all, they are often just as ill-informed as you are, hence until they actually educate themselves about the topic, their feelings and intimidation are artificially conceived and irrelevant . Instead of throwing every proud Southerner who chooses to fly this most beautiful Battle Flag into a bag of superficial guilt, consider the other side of History. Old Glory was not only responsible for the Indian Genocide, but also adopted by the KKK and held the peculiar institution of slavery embedded within her constitution since the very beginning of the American nation. Yes, some Southern States have seceded in part due to an economy based on slavery, but The War of Northern Aggression was started by Lincoln and his invading Yanks. Everything could have been resolved peacefully, instead Lincoln was hungry for war.
So I say, fly her high and proud Folks!!! Respect her and honor her as she deserves it ! Don’t let the ignorant pushers of a twisted history intimidate you or your beliefs.
Deo Vindice, Confederate Mike. Rebel NOT Racist !
Confederate Mike • Apr 21, 2015 at 7:59 am
What an ignorant bunch of crap !!!
Shame on you Mr. Kunkler. Your ancestors would be more ashamed of you, than you are of them with your ill-informed and misguided understanding of Southern History. You Sir should be flying a flag of a traitor !
90% of Confederate soldiers never even owned any slaves, nor did they have any beneficial reasons to maintain this peculiar institution. So what were they fighting for ? For the right to remain free from the evil and invading federalist Yankee Scum, which by the way had lots to gain from the fruits of slavery within their industrial economy !
Who cares about how other misguided fools judge an individual who is proud of his Battle Flag. After all, they are often just as ill-informed as you are, hence until they actually educate themselves about the topic, their feelings and intimidations are artificially conceived and irrelevant . Instead of throwing every proud Southerner who chooses to fly this most beautiful Battle Flag into a bag of superficial guilt, consider the other side of History. Old Glory was not only responsible for the Indian Genocide, but also adopted by the KKK and held the peculiar institution of slavery embedded within her constitution since the very beginning of the American nation. Yes, some Southern States have seceded in part due to an economy based on slavery, but The War of Northern Aggression was started by Lincoln and his invading Yanks. Everything could have been resolved peacefully, instead Lincoln was hungry for war.
So I say, fly her high and proud Folks!!! Respect her and honor her as she deserves it ! Don’t let the ignorant pushers of a twisted history intimidate you or your beliefs.
Deo Vindice, Confederate Mike. Rebel NOT Racist !